gibson norlin era acoustic

I have never played a Les Paul with so much.... oh, crap, I can't find the words. Terms & Conditions | Registered Trademarks. Being so disparaged kept values down, so people treated them like junk. I agree the AMF was bad for HD as a whole, but there were some good bikes turned out. But some lacked decent build quality due to stressed production and cost saving arrangement - exactly like Gibson guitars today, unfortunately. The only LP I own is a 1971 sandwich body, voluted Deluxe gold top. I remember seeing them quite cheap back then though (used). A must see!!! There was a steady decline and then a later uptick in the quality (1981-1985). AMF Harleys were not all bad either the sportsters were actually pretty nice but not many riders rebuild AMF bikes... What exactly is so bad about the Norlin era Les Paul? Kind of the same exact concern as Fender during the CBS years or Harley Davidson during the AMF ownership. As well as the small guard and volute. They were quite controversial at the time and still are for some,   Some owners changed them out for standard bridges, some still swear by their sound. Copyright 2019 Gibson Brands, Inc. All rights reserved. Hey KSDaddy, I was checking out your web site. I would remove the strings for now. Just can't bring myself to restoring it yet. The stories this guitar would tell if it could talk! I owned two Norlin era Gibsons. Upload or insert images from URL. Still, a Norlin era L5C is a top professional instrument, as are many other guitars of this era. Norlin Musical Instruments was a member of Norlin Industries which was named for ECL president Nor ton Stevens and CMI president Arnold Ber lin . That's one reason why 70's Gibsons can sound so good. Tone, workmanship, playability. orangepeel texture to the lacqer? The problems of the Norlin era didn’t happen in a day. Spent the day crawling around in a cave and sitting in a river, life is good. Having said that, I have seen (and played) some real DOGS, from that era. The only LP I own is a 1971 sandwich body' date=' voluted Deluxe gold top. Clear editor. × I know this is right in the middle of the Norlin era, but I don't really know what gave these a bad name. Are there any file marks or chatter marks on the fingerboard? Clear editor. I would agree with QM on this, based on the spilt parallelogram inlays. While made during one of the company's most controversial eras when many players saw a sacrifice of quality for profit margins, the Gibson Les Paul Customs The Gibson Les Paul Customs of the Norlin Era can be diamond-in-the-rough finds for players with a keen eye. Gibsons made from 1960 through 1962, however, did have the thinnest neck profiles the company ever came up with for an acoustic. Can anyone help me ID the model and estimated year? I had a 1980 1000 cc Sportster that kicked ***' date=' I wish I had kept it. Bare in mind where SGs are concerned there's a big difference between a '68-'69 and early 70s. I found photos of a (claimed to be) '69 burst SJ with the same  features except the pickguard was tortoise rather than black. If you plan on keeping it, I would get it checked out. About the "Lawsuit"[] It is a common misconception that the famous Gibson/Norlin lawsuit was filed against a number of Japanese companies. I have never known exactly the model because the serial number was removed for some reason. Southern Jumbo Natural(SJN) otherwise known as the CW (Country Western) from early 70's would be my guess. Gibson changed out the ceramic or wooden saddles with less controversial tusq saddles on the modern day reissues. But I will say this: You're taking a chance buying any guitar as old as that without having the opportunity to inspect it first. Thanks Jeff! × And, some of the SG's of that era, are downright strange. Gibson invented archtop guitars by constructing the same type of carved, arched tops used on violins. They're not all bad, but new is so much better, especially since you can buy at the Custom Shop level for the price of a 70's LP these days.   Your link has been automatically embedded. My 1972 SJD in natural in my collection, bought new, has block inlays, not split parallelogram inlays like the 60s CWs and SJs. By '71, I think the parallelogram inlays were gone. Corporation seeking way to capitalize on the booming guitar market of that decade offered to go into business with CMI and they acquired the company in 1969. It may need that looked at. Just like HD, if it wasn't for Norlin there would be no Gibson today. Years of Production: 1951 - present. That started in 1970. Reviews. Yet that guitar has a teardrop pickguard. By the time of the mid-70's, Gibson had stopped almost all production of their acoustic models. It's an unusual combination of features, but Gibson production was going through some pretty radical changes in that period. AMF Alcort Sunfish leaked oil, too. She was very experienced by the Norlin era. Especially that Gretch type hollow body that you built. Copyright 2019 Gibson Brands, Inc. All rights reserved. I also have 30's and 40's era Gibsons (I can't afford 50's era Gibsons) , and the Norlin era Gibsons still hold the test of time. Grover rotomatic tuners are replacements. I am not one of those who casts the net of "Norlin era Gibsons are bad and nobody should buy them." In fact, my wife and I just got off it from a day trip to one of the most famous caves in the midwest, Meramec Caverns. Upload or insert images from URL. On topic...I happen to like (as do many others it appears) the Norlin era Gibson's. And the went to those gibson embossed metal tuners. There are gems and duds from every single year. i definately would not count out a Les paul just because it's a Norlin but I sure wouldn't buy one without playing it or hearing it either. This model is also produced in limited numbers in a natural finish, which creates slightly higher value. And a mohagany neck. But, some still love the original ADJ bridge and saddle inserts. Display as a link instead, × The main reason why Gibson was churning out turd after turd during the 70s was because of corporate bean counters. All the other LPs were owned for less than a year. Should reach inside and see if any of the braces came loose or you can tap on the top and bottom while the strings are still on and listen for vibrating braces. Some of these '74 - '75 guitars actually say "Deluxe" on the back of the headstock, making it difficult to know whether or not the factory did the actual routing. Not the Custom LP's, but the Standards and Deluxes. Avoid the acoustics, though. Finish. ne help me ID the model and estimated year. 69 still had the large guard. Slab bodies, single coil pickup models, etc. You could buy a new Start for $250, it cost $500 to buy a Les Paul. Gibson. Some 50s/60s ADJ bridges had ceramic saddles , some wooden saddles. But, at least Gibson survived, amazingly...and we now can get guitars that are as good, to better than the "golden years!" ES 335 TD plays very well, new strings and full setup. I passed on one just like this for $200 in like 1980 or 81... a mister paul smith saw that gutar, and was inspired to start his own guitar company. The price was a bit high, but the real issue was condition. Gibson Brands, Inc. respects your right to privacy. Traded the cab for a Dan Armstrong Plexi guitar and sold the head for whatever I could get for it. And, that one. I don't know enough about Norlin-era sqaures to really comment intelligently. It's been well loved, as you can see from the pictures, but it still is in great playing condition. I guess you could say that not all Gibson's are created equal, but in the end it still comes back to a simple fact for most of us..."Only a Gibson is good enough".   Pasted as rich text. 1983 Norlin Era Gibson Les Paul Custom w/ Factory Kahler Tremolo. Display as a link instead, × Might have been a 1969 or 70s Norlin transition era SJN with the volute and Made in America imprint. In 1986, three Harvard MBAs; Henry Juszkiewicz, David Berryman and Gary Zebrowski, bought Gibson/Epiphone from ECL/Norlin. Buy Used. Right now I'm working on getting my Dad's old '79 Sportster down to KC to fix up. I've owned at least a dozen LPs from an original 1955 gold top to a 1988 Standard with a good mix in the middle. Just wish they were a bit more "affordable!" I know they're just slabs of wood but this one just begs to be played. Last weekend, I found a very interesting and frankly beautiful 1977 Custom. mando_dan, Jul 1, 2016 Provenance and pedigree means Jack S___ if it doesn't make you want to play it. Privacy Policy | Silverbursted, August 4, 2008 in Gibson USA. The DVD I saw is great you should check it out its called "SOLIDBODIES The 50 Year Guitar War" Explores the evolution of Fender and Gibson as rivals and competitors. They were open to experimentation, which led to products like the Acoustic Mark 35 and 55. Can't tell what the neck wood is due to the very dark stain. There are reasons the Norlin era guitars are assumed bad. Btw, most rock stars in the 70's played contemporary gibson guitars, but each one had to search for a good one.   Your link has been automatically embedded. I can’t clearly see the saddle, but it looks possibly like an ADJ wooden bridge. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I always figured it was because Gibson started to improve quality from the Norlin era. You can post now and register later. I owned two Norlin era Gibsons. I too, own two "Norlin Era" Gibsons. Vintage Guitar Head Stock Framed Print. Probably 1969 or 1970. I've owned at least a dozen LPs from an original 1955 gold top to a 1988 Standard with a good mix in the middle. Unfortunately on this last trip my buddy and I were a bit too intoxicated and ended up floating right on by the cave on the river. Gibson electrics produced during the "Norlin era" are units produced from 1970 through 1983; these are considered by many Gibson fans to be the worst guitars Gibson ever made, and for good reason - they were in fact awful. That said, opting to buy one instead of a new production Gibson for cheaper is complete madness. All the other LPs were owned for less than a year. are there any signs of filler being used in the fretboard inlays or along the bindings? stickiness of the neck lacquer when your hand heats it up? Acoustic Bass; Vintage Bass Guitars; Acoustic Guitars. hmmm Nothing really - generally spoken. The impression I get is that Gibson (as well as others) … The cork sniffers will appraise them lower because of the collectors' perception that the quality was lower in that era.   Your previous content has been restored. As like the J45 Deluxe, J45/50 Deluxe. Kalamazoo (mostly)....the Norlin era acoustics were so bad , that they had pretty much stopped building acoustics in Michigan, because no one was buying them (some of them may sound good now, but they suffered by comparison when they were new, not … By submitting this form you are agreeing to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy. Original tuners would have been individual closed-back Kluson-style, but could probably have been either metal or plastic keystones. In good condition, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Solid Body. It just has a resonance and vibe going on that none of the others had. This guitar does not come with the original case Posted on May 31, 2020 May 31, 2020 Author guitar73_wp. Based on the teardrop pickguard I would guess 1970-1972. Adjustable bridges became available on Gibson sometime in the 50s, but became a lot more common, even standard in some models in the 60s,  I don’t recall ADJ bridges being on any 70s Gibsons, other than 69-70 when models were transitioning to Norlin  era Gibsons’ new models when Gibson was using up existing stock. Just like today, you have to evaluate each guitar on it's own merit. (that supposedly goes away, but still plagues modern production), norlin lesters, some with boat paddel headstocks, some with 3 peiice necks, some with 5 peice bodies, truss rod sometimes is loose, and pots may be different values. The pick guard was like the 50s era with out the pointed tips. Buy New. If a guitar sucks, it doesn't matter who or when made it; ditto for the other way around. I hate (visually) the too wide headstocks, that so many of them seemed to have. Maybe if they have a big hair marathon on VH1 I'll be stoked. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Spent the day crawling around in a cave and sitting in a river, life is good. Gibson remained under the control of CMI until 1974 when it became a subsidiary of Norlin Musical Instruments. I traded it in on a '85 Softail which I still ride today. Last edited: Mar 14, 2016. kt66brooklyn, Mar 14, 2016 ... No idea on the guitars but writing about the "good ones" from the acoustic side of Gibson in the 1970s is a non-starter. Paste as plain text instead, × I just saw a DVD that touched on that subject... Norlin was a big company that bought Gibson and as all big companies do they incorporated changes in the construction of the guitar to cut expenses and improve profit margin... Electronics, wood, hardware...etc Instead of making machine heads at Gibson the farmed the work out to cheap labor. they mark there own parking spaces. My Deluxe has a smaller headstock, thankfully. Since then, the frets haven't take on much wear. Unlike most other Gibson guitars, it has a 25.5 inch scale. There's a head bangin' pointy headstocked Guild on the bench, been there a month. When Norlin bought Gibson they were being trounced by Fender, everybody wanted a Strat. I suspect it’s a transition era SJN circa 69, but I can’t be sure. So, it was an "experimental" time, for sure! I don''t hate Norlins in fact there was some very good guitars made in that period. Gibson Brands, Inc. respects your right to privacy. AMF saved Harley - Davidson from oblivion, and facilitated the transition to what is is today. Paste as plain text instead, × I'm not looking at buying it, I was just curious. Adjustable bridges became available on Gibson sometime in the 50s, but became a lot more common, even standard in some models in the 60s, I don’t recall ADJ bridges being on any 70s Gibsons, other than 69-70 when models were transitioning to Norlin era Gibsons’ new models when Gibson was using up … Don't disagree at all like in my original response some very good guitars came put of the Norlin years My first new electric was a 1977 L6-S tha I still own and always will it's a great guitar and Ive worn the frets off it twice and it still plays great. Do your own QC - are the binding nibs clean? This guitar came to us as a trade in and ended up in our home studio. LOL! that specific guitar (you will receive the exact piece pictured). Beat the hell out of them. They were as fine a guitar as I've ever owned, both 1975 models, one was a ES-335, the other was an early reissue LP Standard. Thank you for your help! AMF era Harleys - Here's where I start to disagree. I've owned it since 1997. As with any hand-made instrument (or anything else hand made in mass quantities) there will be winners and losers. Thanks much. Great eye, and yes, it does have an adjustable wooden bridge. But for that year only. Alot of these went to block inlays. Matsumoku, as a sub-contractor of Aria (Arai and Company) manufactured instruments including Gibson Epiphone, Skylark, Cutler, Aria, Aria Pro, Aria Diamond and Washburn from 1964 into the mid 80s. I haven't been doing much on the bench lately and I'm okay with that. Not Maple. Just like Norlin did for Gibson. I have 2 norlin era les pauls 1976 Gibson Les Paul Custom 1983 Gibson Les Paul Deluxe I keep reading about how these Norlin era Guitars. Although I did have a CBS/Fender Dual Showman amp that sucked. It just has a resonance and vibe going on that none of the others had. All that is a given but Gibson also turned out some real tone turds during those years and they earned a lot of the bad reputation that era has. It needs a litt. Aftermarket bone saddle inserts for ADJ bridges also are now  available. I have heard some of you guys say stay away, while others really love them. I'm not a hater of Norlin era Gibsons and I own a few of them, but SGs seemed to fare particularly badly in the early 70s with some real headscratchers. is the trussrod responsive? × Terms & Conditions | Registered Trademarks, known exactly the model because the serial number was removed for some reason. Most of the details look right, and the label certainly does. What exactly is so bad about the Norlin era Les Paul. We put way too much emphasis on what others think of us based on how many guitars we can line up in the living room. Reviving Gibson was the first priority for the new owners, and with Epiphone making less than $1 million revenue in 1985, the … OK, I just made a fresh drink to respond to this post: CBS era Fender (guitars) - never owned one, I knew better, because I already had a 1960 Strat (still do). Norlin Era 1978 Gibson Byrdland in Natural! Volute, for sure. I've said it so many times I should use it as my signature. By submitting this form you are agreeing to the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy. Just like HD, if it wasn't for Norlin there would be no Gibson today. Is that feature unique to ‘69 models? Larry Carlton said something like "if you try 10 gibsons there are two good ones, 4 usable ones and the rest is crap". This gear is subject to age and handling wear. midwestsierra, May 24 in Gibson Acoustic. 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