primal) society. Take beta carotene – Vitamin A for instance: https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009/11/23/Some-women-may-lack-vitamin-A/UPI-10441258957333/?form_372.replyids=1&form_363.replyids=1&form_346.userid=215&form_346.replyids=4978. Figure 1 shows selected correlations between macronutrients and cancer mortality. Congratulations! The vegetarian’s wheat crops feed millions, but robs the land of nutrients and destroys the top soil necessary for life. If anything, the only thing veggie-heads (and hippies/liberals of all sorts, for that matter) are mad at meat-eating, conservative, religious people for is that they don’t practice what they preach as consistently. This One Mistake Could Be Keeping You Stuck, How Stress Affects Gut Health (and What to Do About It). I am not starving, and I am eating a lot less than I had been. I found Safran Foer’s book to be much more geared towards the inhumane practices of meat while Keith’s book is geared more towards diet/health. A good example of a person surviving on a vegetarion diet is Dr. Lorraine Day. As I’m at work now, I can’t formulate a proper reply yet, but I just wanted to drop by and let you know how much I appreciate you addressing our concerns. Interesting! As someone who intensively researches these issues on a daily basis, I found myself underlining items on nearly every page that I knew were just plain untrue or were ‘cherry-picked’ facts slanted to give a certain perception. This is Danielle. Join Over 300,000 Subscribers! And I’m not going to go into why meat isn’t a good choice, and comparing with vegetables nutrition facts, But thank you – I look forward to experiencing the rest of the diseases, and I don’t pay science much attention as I use my own body as a barometer. I loved how I felt ethically, and my energy levels were great. Any thoughts? It’s something most people worry about, they suddenly learn where their meat came from and feel remorse for the poor little “insert cute animal name”. For a very long part of our evolution – some 12 million years as primates prior to branching off into the “homo” family of more upright primates in the last 2 million years or so. Why was the tree not afforded the same respect as a chicken? intensive lifestock farming NEEDS industrial agriculture to produce these amounts of meat. Would be cool to hear others experiences, thanks. There are plenty of resources on this site and others, but the best place to start is Gary Taubes’ “Good Calories, Bad Calories” and the Eades’ book “Protein Power.” And, of course, Mark’s book. I have known people who stopped getting ill when they stopped eating meat…OK they ate some fish. He isnt some random hack. What about the leading cause of death: Cardiovascular diseases…too much bad cholesterol (animal-based foods). I get mine from a fermented yeast. Posted in health tips Tagged health, mark masselli, vegetarian Post navigation ← Potato, Leek, & Feta Tart. We humans have NO nutritional requirement for animal flesh and secretions. The entire comment is here with subsequent comments made and I’d recommend anyone to seriously consider reading this before buying the book. There are some awesome vegetarian and vegan cookbooks out there. Never once. Have fun. Vegan, high-raw (the difference maker for me) here. You may remember it from a brief mention I gave back in September, or maybe from Dr. Eades’ endorsement of it. First, please read the book we all started talking about. That was proved long back in the late nineteenth century, by J.C.Bose. These are … Selling flubbed facts to people who are truly searching for answers, inspiration or (insert what you are looking for here) is just bad journalism.”. Oops. Why do we need to shout people down and call them ignorant, etc? If everyone ate right (fewer grains because many people have cited that these are the problems) and these plants were grown properly we could minimize ALL damage. All our cultural cleverness – our ability to “develop and cultivate new resources”- doesn’t change the biological facts of what we can thrive on, and in this case, that development and cultivation of new resources (i.e. (Hell, I think a raw meat diet trumps a raw vegan one any day. I have to disagree with you Dave, RN. Seriously, I had to forget about what I was actually eating to be able to swollow it! However, I found this review on Amazon and thought it was pretty good. That animals are largely misunderstood and science is continually revealing a depth and complexity to their behaviours often traditionally used as the basis for what separates them from humans, such as self-awareness? Animals have interests. I am a former vegetarian who is starting to introduce fish/meat into my diet after 10 years. (My wife started him off as such and he continued after the age of two). Eggs are just as high in fat, protein, and nutrients as pretty much any meat. We’re probably best off with different people experimenting with a variety of lifestyles/ means of production. Animals on the other hand (by which I mean all vertebrates, and some invertebrates like octopi) DO have such inner states. Isn’t that for baby cows…loll, well I ask myself that question again today, why all of those animal based foods…why so much, milk, yogourt, cheese, ice cream etc. Second, I found the book absolutely riddled with bad information, faulty facts and just plain lazy research (if you can call it ‘research’). Veganism is the solution, not part of the problem. But, of course, environmentalists will never let this happen because – as I said above – their real agenda is to control other people’s lives, or to exploit their ignorance, so that they don’t have to have real jobs. @cp Start here. He, like your vegan example, is 61 years old and looks amazing, too. But that gives us nothing to go off of. Thank you. What is “great health” to you may not be to athletic people. This is a powerful, well orgainzed and written book. Except that it might've been a fig or peach or pear. You eat nothing but grains for a year, and I’ll avoid grains for a year, and we’ll see who’s better off by all the conventional measures of health come this time next year – how about it? And if you’re in the mood, there’s http://www.veganathlete.com. There are some good sources that pose a reasonable argument that our evolution has been mostly vegetarian and that we ate meat only occasionally. I would also definitely supplement with a good high-potency multi-vitamin and make sure I got sunlight for 15 minutes any sunny day. But it’s not optimal for human health. One minor, one major. I have a few vegan friends so I expect many interesting conversations ahead! And B12 supplements are plant based as well. vegans as HIGH GRAIN/GRAIN DOMINANT consumption… grains are NOT a part of healthy, human diet… fruits/veggies/greens/seeds/nuts ARE…. Animals eat plants too, so if you care about not killing plants and pests and things, eat plants, not animals, they eat and kill plants too. But the question remains: are we ethically entitle to inflict animal suffering. Read the book, and suggest it for him too! The book comes across as well meaning, if a bit harsh towards the veg crowd. Sponsor note: Yikes, I missed the boat on this discussion for the better part of 3 months, but screw it… I’ll just add my two cents. Once you lose the reader’s trust that you are providing factual information what do you have? She does do a decent job critiquing industrial ag, I’ll give her that. “Most evolutionary biologists will tell you that there has never been a culture that existed entirely without animal products of any kind, although apparently some Hindu sects claim to have done so.”. Something to think about. I know Carrie mentioned she sticks to fish only. And a plant diet is not the same as only eating wheat. Who knows what the constant inflammation of his heart will do to him in the long run. I haven’t read the book, so I’m going off of Mark’s review. That’s right, Cassie. One of the first comments Mike makes is ironic, but probably typical of initial converts to veganism: “We became vegan partly for health reasons, but the diet we had adopted wasn’t very much different than the diet we left, as we were still consuming large amounts of highly processed foods, and not nearly enough fruits and vegetables. Another great article! Let’s not alienate anyone and work towards education and support instead of hurling thinly-veiled insults (vegetarian “myth”) that obfuscate more important issues. I know that you say that you don’t believe that Hindus were ever vegan but who ARE these Hindus who call themselves vegan traditionally? Plant are not sentient. Dear Mark: Sun Exposure and Eyesight; Vasectomies | Mark's Daily Apple For today's edition of Dear Mark, we've got a quick two-parter. These microorganisms are then digested and assimilated by the cow. What happened to Steve Redgrave, the Olympic rower (type 2 diabetes) is not unexpected if you look into these things. That is why, killing a cow is forbidden by Hinduism. So if my buddy says to me that he does not want to do that–and he extends his natural compassion for humans over to include animals–then good for him. 18. I have even shared on some of those forums my foray into primal and not had one negative comment hurled at me. Only humans have the capacity to override the myriad of plant-like biological and animal-like psychological urges afflicting us, and to do things based upon an imagined, conceptualized idea of how things would be if did them. I would have to disagree with you Griff. Not that typing this will halt your unsubstantiated claims. This pattern continues throughout the entire book. Like websites, newspaper and magazine information needs to be taken with a grain of salt. So what if the number is, say, 7 billion? I’m reluctant to consume powdered soy protein, as I already eat a good bit of soy. Processed foods are everywhere, and one could easily be a nominal vegan existing on the likes of soft drinks, soy pizzas, whole wheat crackers, and Rice-a-Roni, but as you know from reading this blog, processed foods are the bane of a healthy lifestyle. She was playing croquet and tennis right up til her 80th birthday. ridiculous… I swear, I can’t believe the entire Internet is RIFE with all thee inaccuracies on BOTH sides…. If all the vegetarians in the world started eating meat it is undeniable that supply would have to go up to meet demand and there would be more suffering. First of all, while “Nature” may be an easy thing to grasp when talking about, say, the nature of a rock,talking about “human nature” is nearly impossible, since we are capable of deliberating about what decisions we will make, etc. Animals used for food really are treated horrendously a lot of the time, and I would never eat anything other than free range/organic/wild caught, etc. Another problem she has is that she projects all her problems onto vegetarianism. She writes as if the anthropological and archaeological evidence she quotes is written in stone, when in fact many of these topics are constantly under revision or not well understood yet. No–as most agricultural planting is done to sustain domesticated animals–so everyone suddenly turning vegan (obviously not happening any time soon) might actually mean less topsoil loss and less habitat destruction–it would even mean some areas of arable land being returned to a fallow state. We can get ALL our vitamins and nutrients from plant sources. I became an almost-vegetarian about a year ago (I’ve eaten some fish – but I would say less than once per month). We’re naturally omnivorous and adaptable. One of the things you said about vegetarianism I found particularly interesting: in the minds of many of it’s practicioners, the more honorable, and therefor more meaningful, approach to life was vegetarianism precisely because it was more difficult to live “free of death.”. Let people experiment! Where do you come up with this shite, nelter and gambo? So, the Platonic ideal of “the Good” isn’t attainable. That’s not really something they can choose. It is interesting to see, however, the general picture that emerges. You say, “What’s to keep her from falling into, for example, the rationalization – which many vegetarians already possess – that it’s not the dying per se which is the moral issue, but the pain involved in the dying? We train pretty hard, what would you suggest eating right before or after practice or a game? And anyways, where do you get your figures… besides out of thin air? I seem to have had a positive turnaround for about a month and a half now, but I won’t get my next A1C test to see if things really have improved for almost 2 months. Even if being veg was guaranteed to shorten my life by 10 years, I would still not eat meat. These people are qualified to make these statements. In fact, that ability is what fueled our migration out of Africa and across this planet. Will you stop driving your car b/c of emissions? The Secret Life of Plants Sad state of affairs in pro sports today. So advocating for large scale vegetarianism seems implausible. And small scale vegetarianism seems only plausible as long as the majority is not a vegetarian. Now I know that that was because most of the animal products I was eating were heavily processed junk cooked in vegetable oils and frankenfats. Circle of life, you know? Thanks for bringing this up, Mark- my fave post by far! Killing slugs in her garden was impossible, and deciding whether to supplement the soil with actual bone meal was excruciating. I have to agree with the author when he states that something is inevitably going to die in the production of any sort of food. “Both preach self-denial, both admire making things unnecessarily difficult, both extol the “virtue” of sacrifice (even if their objects are different).”. We are currently one step ahead in this footrace against Nature, but the ground is (literally!) No, you’re not in great health, you are probably 5’10 140lbs with no strength or work capacity to accomplish any physical task in life. But, again, because of my family’s influence, and now the research I read, I have never thought I was being healthier by being a vegetarian. Please use the information wisely no fair shoving facts down the throats of vegans at a party- though tempting. It’s somewhat depressing, and it’s brutally honest. I’m working my way through this book right now and it’s really a gripping read. What’s up with vegan powerlifters then? Because if someone gave me a nice leather bag, I’d probably take it and use it. Simply put, the bases for these ideas are typically spurious. I have never yet met a vegan who was not sick with at least three different problems that were not responding to medical intervention. How many of you unapologetic omnis have read a pro vegan book? Ha, give this book to your vegan friends if you don’t want them as friends anymore. Total Lipids -6% Mark, your review is spot on and, as is usually the case, it is wonderfully written. 146: The author states a “rumor” authored by RB Lee about hunter-gatherers getting 65% of their calories from plants and 35% from meat. This pattern continues throughout the entire book. It’s a waste of time. Seeds were living things, too. Since 2014, Veganuary has inspired and supported more than one million people in 192 countries to try vegan for January – and beyond. A number of the posters here — some of whom have clearly not read the book and yet have commented based upon, I suppose, their interpolations of Mark’s comments of it — are mistaken on a number of points. See more ideas about marks daily apple, primal paleo, primal recipes. Agriculture, monocropping specifically, is death of animals. Even if people are still eating meat, for it to be sustainable it needs to be less than once a week. They get it by feeding carbohydrates (grass) to the microorganisms that live in their complex guts (those stomachs are referred to as “fermenting chambers” for a reason). You are not eating chicken, you are eating a dear innocent animal named such and such. Best of luck to all. Forming cliques and attacking the outsiders is obviously not a productive strategy. Fishing or hunting, much like Grok would have done it. I’d love to hear from you guys and have some questions answered…, “What about the leading cause of death: Cardiovascular diseases…too much bad cholesterol (animal-based foods).”. There is enough meat to get your hands on that is not pumped with drugs or industrialised… Atleast here in the Netherlands it’s not so hard. who don’t know how to manage their diet and are in seriously poor health–on death’s door. How can you make the statement above when there of millions of healthy vegans in this world and when even the mainstream medical community accepts that it’s not only possible but beneficial, while consuming animal products is detrimental to human health in myriad ways? I’ve been vegan for longer than Keith was and I’m in great health. Since they don’t have any “inner states” or “subjectivity”, plants can’t possibly have, much less express, a preference about what is done to them. We’re still feeling our way through incorporating more variety into our diet, but your blog is certainly helping us get the hang of it. PS. Paradise, you might even say. Unfortunately, sustainability isn’t possible in tandem with optimal health. As for right now, I can’t understand how I am not fighting hunger. Thanks again. I would love to meet with her and have her explain these holes in her book that is being praised like some sort of ‘new truth’ while it is nothing more than here own opinion. The ONLY thing that is in season year round is meat! * statistically significant ** highly significant *** very highly significant Please don’t lump everyone who abstains from meat into the snob category. “She’s saying, in effect, reject vegetarianism because that lifestyle actually causes more death than a meat-eating lifestyle does. That’s it. roam around in their natural habitats, and second, vegetarians don’t not eat meat in order to make cows extinct. “One of my biggest concerns for my son the vegetarian is that he is getting enough protein to fuel his growing athletic body. Why not make growing plants as sustainable as possible too? ” I read this book that I found compelling and I want to share it with you but I am worried it will somehow offend you.”. All you need do is read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, by Weston Price and you’ll see what a true scientist, WITHOUT AN AGENDA, can do. The author cites 207 references in this book. On a preliminary note, Danielle and I have been integrating more nuts and nut butter into our diet, and I’ve even switched from peanut butter to raw almond butter, much to my taste buds’ delight I might add. Trainers Boots Slippers Shoes. Lots of veggies and some clean, natural protein. Fields were tilled and billions of microorganisms were destroyed, not to mention the mice, rabbits, and other wild animals whose environments are leveled to make way for industrial farming. 100 pounds of wheat: thousands of dead organisms. There is no need to justify being omnivorous OR vegetarian. Can’t grow veggies there or digest the grass yourself? “In some people” is the key phrase here. We’re starting to incorporate much more fruits and vegetables into our diet and eliminate most of the starchy, grain-filled, processed foods that we normally gorged ourselves on, such as white rice, bread and mock meats. I worked with so many people that I had to explain my vegetarian (sometimes vegan) diet to, and had polite conversations with them (well, THEIR attitude wasn’t always so polite) … and now that I’m changing my attitudes because of this website, I’m afraid of all the people who are going to say “I told you so!” I consider myself a person who makes decisions that work for my health and mental clarity. Have a nice day. In extreme cases, forcing the issue during teen years can backfire. I was borderline obese. Total Protein +12% Please show me ONE vegan culture with this level of health. Ecotopia by Ernest Callenbach is an interesting novel from the 70’s about the 3 west coast states seceding in 1999 (it was the future in the 70’s from the union and building a sustainable eco state, combining the best of green technology with the greenest best practices. If sustainability is our goal – both personally and on a global scale – then what are we to do? What’s that about energy passed through trophic levels…..? I could eat eggs, but not caviar; that is, nothing that involved the death of an animal. It isn’t often that I write book reviews (have I ever? Perhaps the book covers it, but what this blog entry doesn’t convey is that raising grain-fed meat is FAR more destructive to the environment than raising grain for people to eat. I’m not naming any names, Griff. However, I don’t think this is a realization many vegetarians are able to make yet. Anyway, on with the list. Oct 26, 2019 - Older people (and those headed in that direction, which is everyone else) are really sold a bill of goods when it comes to health and longevity advice. I’ll provide a more detailed response once I get home and speak with my wife. People get way too attached to a particular viewpoint. . How exactly our omnivorism is proportioned is what may be debatable, but not the factual reality of it. Mark of this blog has warned me years ago of all the deficiencies I will suffer from, and if I ever get tested (want to test but need funds), I will let you know if it comes to pass, but I’m prepared and appreciate the warnings. A sine qua non of any “Primal” or “paleo” approach is that humans are meat eaters. Just thought it ironic that the very sprinter Mark mentions in the book is in fact a long time vegan. As is avoiding certain buttons like enter :-). After developing some noticeable health issues I did a lot more research (some of it here) that led me to my current very-low-carb eating habits, and not only do I feel the best I ever have, I’ve managed to put on an extra ten pounds of muscle in about a month (traditionally I’m a skinny hardgainer), even with regular fasting periods. the effect on the soil of heavy agriculture is a modern problem due to a lack of crop rotation. Believing that statement right there shows you know ZERO about biochemistry or anything involving the human body. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=carbs-against-cardio#comments. In other words: you don’t want them to resist since that would destroy not only the portion of the economy they depend upon, but other portions as well? However it’s an inefficient use of resources from water, to grains, to land (especially in the case of grass fed), to fossil fuels and, as said above, it’s destructive to the planet. A nature reserve for hunter/gatherer man. I am just thankful I can afford and have access to healthful food and clean drinking water. thanks for the review mark…and for your book. Evidently certain kinds of diets at the fringe, such as extremely large amounts of saturated fats, show specific bad results in many predisposed people. So ill just eat the ones I like, and something of everything. Beauty Brands A-Z; Neal’s Yard Remedies; Neom; Nuxe ; Origins; Percy & Reed; Philip Kingsley; Pixi; Prai; Pure; REN Clean Skincare; This Works; Close. Be prepared for diabetes, stroke, heart disease, migraines, and high blood pressure. Part memoir, nutritional primer, and political manifesto, this controversial examination exposes the destructive history of agriculture—causing the devastation of prairies and forests, driving countless species extinct, altering the climate, and destroying the topsoil—and asserts that, in order to s… I felt amazingly better, I felt much stronger, more awake, my digestive issues resolved, life was good. Thanks, Mark! Was the environment “constructed”? I have since dropped all animal products from my diet and I now have 8% body fat. She also emphasized that she suffered many health problems as a result of her vegetarianism–depression, anemia, chronic fatigue. Complicating matters, some people will sacrifice their health for reasons emotional or ethical or hedonistic; for others, health trumps all. The lack of carnivorous features like well developed canines, and our colons similarity to our chimpanzee ancestors/cousins for example. Thinking otherwise is delusional. Adding breast cancer to her already long list of ailments would probably kill her. All you carnivores, eat away……..but meat is It seems that some people here are trying to argue the point that allows them to continue living the way they already live. You cannot eat pure casein protein in nature!!! He is a great athlete, the smartest kid in his class and has always been quite healthy. There’s a number of other related myths that Lierre dispels as well, including my favorite: “You can grow a lot more grain than you can raise animals for the same amount of land – therefore, you should only grow grain and other plants!” Never mind that this myth is easily dispelled when you consider that much of the earth’s surface isn’t suitable for farming and cannot be made suitable, but it’s perfect for grazing and herding. Agriculture is death and pain. Eat and be happy. I don’t offer this as an argument to PB; only a fact to be pondered by those who are a little too single minded or believe that there is only one way to achieve great health and performance. ), Leakey writes : “[y]ou can’t tear flesh by hand, you can’t tear hide by hand…. Meat or no meat, cooked food or no cooked food, I think a diet that is plant-based is great. What I do have a problem with is cruelty – factory farming, destroying ecosystems through agriculture, and being a right knob to other people, which you’re doing, and other people are doing to you as well. And though I still wonder about my connectedness, I no longer have a need or desire to be connected just as I no longer see a need or desire to be vegetarian. Can’t recommend it enough! He then takes this marvelous research and concludes that there is association between all animal protein. I exercise very little aside from walking a few miles per week. Sign up and get exclusive content you can't read anywhere else—the best curated videos, recipes, workouts, and research, as well as special offers and commentary delivered to your inbox. What’s that? While no one in their right mind would agree that the industrial factory farm is anything short of death camp for animals, few people consider the ramifications of industrial agriculture. So we will assume that being vegan also means being on a quest to achieve some measure of good health. After spending three decades researching and educating folks on why food is the key component to achieving and maintaining optimal wellness, Mark launched Primal Kitchen, a real-food company that creates Primal/paleo, keto, and Whole30-friendly kitchen staples. I was a vegetarian, then a vegan, I’m a Nutritionist, but am now leaving that profession to farm. If you are in between, the cost is in between. Peace and health Mark Masselli. It’s tedious, but then you know…. I take a b12 supplement, and think that prioritizing a “natural” diet as one without supplements is more arbitrary a purity standard than a cruelty free diet. First, I cant even begin to explain the preservation and degradation issues present in examining three million year old teeth for ‘scratch marks’. I find paleo convincing, but some of you are probably too confident in your beliefs. All is not quite as we think it is, I am sure. they are not equivical…. How can Ms. Keith get out of this precarious situation? Speaking of fats, I’d eat avocados, I’d dress salads with olive oil and I’d cook with olive oil or coconut oil. and kills the animal as well. When Dr. Weston Price did his world tour of various tribes in various parts of the world, he did not run across one single tribe that was sustained by veganism. Remember the dust bowl? All vegans/vegetarianism is is a heavily-camoflagued recycling of the mystical, reality-irrelevant ethics of the major religions. Oct 23, 2019 - 5 Biggest Longevity Myths. My situation is also unique in that I never, ever felt that I was depriving myself by not eating meat. About the Author Mark Sisson is the founder of Mark’s Daily Apple, godfather to the Primal food and lifestyle movement, and the New York Times bestselling author of The Keto Reset Diet. First of all, vegetarians want animals to be free to Many will die. 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